So the last afternoon @ fosdem 2008 I ended up listening to a very informative talk on autoconf, automake and libtools. The argumnt was that they were the tools of the trade - and that it wasn't so complex. The rest was more a walkthrough and at the end I was not reall convinced that those tools where not easy nor complex to use properly. The reason I ended up in this metting was that the presentation on making robots with 8 bits controllers and linux was so crowed that there was a waiting line in front of the room.
Then I went back to the mozilla room to hear the plans that mozilla had for bringing a browser on mobile devices. The talk draw lots of attention and the room got more people. Max jumped on his chair when the speaker evoked the idea or removing Mathml
from the mobile version of the browser.
Once agan fosdem was very nice and I'll probably attend next year.
Recently in Camino/Mozilla Category
Yesterday evening Instead of the "traditional" mozilla diner we have each year @ Fosdem, we ended up celebrating the 10 year anniversary of the Netscape release fo their browser source code. So the mozilla project father of Firefox, Thunderbird, Sundbird, Bugzilla, Camino and a few others has been in businness for 10 years. Wahoo time flies as I remember the announce an thinking to myself that it would not matter much. I also thought that the project was doomed when a few months later they announced the complete rewrite.
Then Beos, my pet project at the time, had a very bad browser named NetPositive, and Be Inc, started working on porting the new mozilla code base to the OS. I could not run beos at that time but as mozilla was cross patform I started reporting bugs . So nice party yesterday at a nice bowling in the center of Brussels, Happy birthday mozilla.
Sitting in the OpenSuse room now listening to a talk on how to package for that version of Linux - the guy talking has a strong german accent, changes from the french one :-).
I've been sitting in the mozilla room for most of the day - the room was smaller than the previous years and that was a pitty because attendance was much higher. It's nice to see people that I have not seen since last year, it's like friend with a common passion - that is what empowers free software communities. The room was so hot that someone came up with a nice joke on the blackboard "sauna.fosdem.org" :-)
The talked started by a state of the mozilla community and software distribution, with nice numbers (53% of downloads are english ones), and information on how firefox beta 3 was used (a very nice graph) and what the plans for the near future might be.
So we had two very nice presentations on the calendar project behind hosted by mozilla, with many questions and usual answer : we need more developing man power. Gave a nice idea of the state of the products and the dev team.
Previous to that Dan Mills talked about weave a project hosted on labs.mozilla.org. Weave is about sharing profiles, personnal information and bookmarks. I like the idea - and the concept they are working on, it's a bit like having del.icio.us and other services mashed up together but with privacy options. At the end two technologies were pointed to Dan Mills, one is p3p and the other one is foaf.
The next session was on Thunderbird and what shold happen this year interms of releases and staffing for the newly announced mozilla-messaging corporation. Very nice and very interesting especially if we get Sundbird inetgration by the end of the year.
I've just installed the latest beta of Firefox because my friend daniel said it rocked on the mac and that he was thinking about not using Safari anymore.
The firts launch is amazingly fast, the windows just pop up, that is very impressive. I like that a lot. It also seems that Firefox is way more responsive on my G5 iMac than the previous 2.0 series. I like the new cocoa dropdown list and the look and feel - looks a lot like Camino :-). I tend to access a few sites with certificates+ssl authentification, and one of the server I go to daily as an expired cert. In 2.0 a alert would pop up and I would just hit enter to access the site. In 3.0b it'a a complete different story, the page does not load and Firefox quives you kind of a 404 page on which you can decide to make an execption or not. I think those "security" changes are very good because they really force the user to acknowledge that there is a security issue.
Things I don't like is firts the fact that non of the extensions I use daily (spell checking ), del.icio.us and a few others are not compatible with the Beta releases. Making the whole experience of testing the beta release a less enjoyable experience. I don't like the new url bar history - it's too big makes it difficult for me to use the down arrow to select the site i want to use. And the biggest bad point is I was unable to access the new Yahoo! mail, I either need to use another browser to access it or to return to the old interface of yahoo mail.
I've been kindly asked by email to share my views on Open letter to the Thunderbird community, and I will comment on the tb issue as a whole.
First of all I would like to thanks David and Scott for making tb, I wish them luck for whatever they are going to be working on in the near future. I started using tb in around 0.6 because at that time Apple's mail.app was not really happy when exchanging some file formats with other users (and in particular with something called Lotus Notes). I've used it ever since on my home machine and at work with the latest job I got. I remember why tb was created back in the early days of Firefox, basically because one big administration company contacted mozilla when mozilla decided to drop the suite and that company/administration wanted a replacement for email, hence was born Minautor. Ever since it's birth the project never got main stream attention while Ff was getting all the lights. In the last year getting TB releases as been something tedious, and at last fosdem a few of us where saddened by the situation. Things got worst when API where rewritten with only Ff in focus breaking tb, as I will try not to argue when it comes to camino for API breakage, I tend to disagree for tb as it's a supported product from MoFo. Now I was thrilled by the MailCo announce, meaning that tb would get the proper work force for some low level issues to get fix (UI is pretty stable and as been worked on for a long time, but some low level issues and code have not been touch in year). I'm now sad because the main devs, those who know how the product works are leaving, meaning that the team that is going to take over will have a hard time catching up on all those internal things - Which means that tb development will get a slowdown in the next few month - for that I am very sad.
So comming back to the letter, I whish we learn why the guys where leaving, I whish we had some goals other than making tb suck less expressed in public on the future of tb. And a nice milestone planning would have been a very good thing (and I would have expected a planning without dates).
I've just listened to Mike's interview at the Mozilla digital bank. He talks about the release of Netscape's code in 1998, and then goes on the errors of netscape 6.0, what the community does, and how it works. Talks about Camino's relation with MoFo/MoCo. A very interesting interview, take the time to listen.
I'm currently visiting Mozilla's Office in Mountain View - meeting the QA and release engineering teams. It's like a Dream come true - I started using mozilla in 1999, on linux. The idea was to report bugs on linux so that the BeOS port would become a reality (I really could not use beos at work). I then got more involved in 2003 to make sure Camino would not die - that involment got me my current job and gave me the opportunity to meet some of the mozillian. And it's very nice to here people you highly consider say that the product you work on daily is great.
and I think it's bad for the Mac ecosystem - but since apple, is not Apple computers anymore, it might not be an issue with them anymore. So why do I think Apple is bad with numbers ? Well it's because it's very difficult for ISV to figure out, how the apple ecosystem is, and those figures and numbers are important for the product management process. So what numbers should apple give to at least it's developers :
- Intel-PowerPC ratio
- OS repartition, from update dowloads
- OS support roadmap with clear end-of-support dates
Both of those last numbers are almost always available from vendors be they microsoft, be they Linux vendors. But Apple does not give any numbers. And I don't even want real numbers I would be satisfied with a pie chart saying 10% of Apple users still run Mac OS X 10.1.5. The same goes for the Intel/PPC ratio.
The support roadmap is just a matter of publishing internal decision - But I really believe this would help product management discussion like this one.
As for the numbers that can be gathered for instance on the AdiumX users base, I believe these are biased. I believe normal end ussers use iChat and not Adium - so to me Adium's numbers represent some of the geek space in Apple's users but not the majority who uses the tools provided by Apple. Apple please do something to make your ISV's life easier - it benefits the mac ecosystem - meaning you are the main benefactor of it.
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Subject: [QA] New FireFox 2008
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Which links to http://pspcolls.co.uk/Firefox.htm , Where there is a simple page on which you have two download links : http://firfox.bravehost.com/ which is suspended. I wonder what was there.
Where is the money in this scheme ?
to l10n.caminobrowser.org, we will keep the mailing list and its archives on mozdev at the moment.
My fosdem photos are now avalaible here.
- 85+ Million users
- FF 40+ languages
- every localization is based on voluntary effort
- 55% uses en-US, then German, French (download for the stats gathering)
- 16% market share
- less than 100 employee
- History of the project
- more features to defend users against phishing and other social security threats
- lots of interesting stats on downloads, 500k download per day at the moment and other stats.
- local mirror for cvs/svn installed in Amsterdam for people in europe - it's an automatic thing. no need to configure thing for the developers.
We've just released Joost 0.8. The good news is that now there is a Mac version. It has a bit more bugs than the windows version - but it's here, we are working hard on finding these and fixing them. It's Intel only. The other very good news is that we now have a National Geographic channel which is part of a batch of new content.
at fosdem 2007, the subject will be QAing xulrunner based applications. I need to start writing it. I've decided That I woud'e use s5 from eric meyer, because it works and I used it last time I gave a talk.
So Fosdem is heating up.
I've been granted rights to edit http://eu.mozdev.org - which I did update. I also plan to host some of the slides from the mozilla room. The planning of the mozilla room is getting there - There will be a presentation by the maintainer of enigmail - on making extensions for Thunderbird. FireBug will be presented, but not in the mozilla room.
I will probably renew my membership to the mozilla europe association.
I'll join the Keysigning Party in order to get my keys signed.
And this year I donated to fosdem via a bank transfert before the event starts - The other years I used to give money at the event - I figured out they might need some money before it , in order to be able to better organize it.
I have a few Invites I'm willing to give away for Joost our TV over the internet product. Leave a comment here. And I'll send invites.
Updates : I don't have anymore invites.
Fosdem 2007 is heating up.
More information on Fosdem 2007.
There will be a mozilla room
Fosdem is a nice place to get Face 2 face with other Open source people and other mozilla guys.
Previous Fosdem looked like
If you can make it you won't regret it.
This interview as been sitting on my HD since 2006-09-28. Sorry for the delay.
<_tsk_> Would you please introduce yourself ?
<_tsk_> How old are you ? what is your normal daily occupation besides Camino ?
<_tsk_> Can you define your catch-all role ?
<_tsk_> Is 10.3 important for you if so why ?
<_tsk_> Good, so can you tell us what your Hardware/Software setup looks like ?
<_tsk_> And what are the other projects you are working on ?
<_tsk_> How long have you been a member of the Camino community ? why did you join ? was it difficult to become a "member" ?
<_tsk_> How long have you been using Macs ? computers ?
<_tsk_> Anything you would like to add ?
<_tsk_> ok thanks you for your time
If you are following what is happening in the mozilla tree you are now aware that Grand Paradiso is out. Is this good are bad news for the users of Camino, Firefox or Thunderbird on Mac OS X. I would say it is more good news than bad ones.
It is good news because with the switch to cairo, we are moving away from Quickdraw. Quickdraw was the initial library for all graphics related stuff on the mac os and it was design in the beginning of the 80's and updated in the 90's. On Mac OS X the graphics got changed twice in the recent years, the first one was named quartz and the second one was named Core Image (nquartz in cairo land), cairo is able to use both - meaning that the GPU sitting on our graphics cards might be used in the future.
If you are not a gecko user, but still a mac user, you should also take the plunge and try out that build. Because Cairo will be used by other project than mozilla [that's one great reason for the switch], trying and reporting bugs in mozilla - might also mean you are reporting bugs against cairo.
The second good news is that at the Rendering engine layout has been simplified, redesigned and that the code is less complex, and should be easier to maintain - old bugs are getting fixed. Mozilla now passes the acid2 test.
What might be the bad news then ?
Well if you have a look at the people doing all those nice development, none of them develops on the Mac , they either use linux or windows. Meaning their most of their test where done on those platforms. And If you want to count the mozilla developers that are working on macs, I believe this can be counted on less than one hand. Meaning that testing for all these new features needs to happen outside - but we also need to make sure that all those bugs get reported, documented properly in bugzilla.
This can easily be done - download Grand Paradiso and use it for one day as you would use Camino or Firefox - report bugs you see.
So I've upgraded to Ff 2.0 when it came out - I was previously using the latest of the 1.5.x series.
I use Firefox daily to track bugs - follow builds - write documentation and follow what's going on in the Mozilla world, the rest of the world and the wii. I'm not to much of the type of person who takes hours to configure it's work environment - changing shell, then changing window managers and configuring tools. I use the tools as they come on the system - I adapt to the tools - I do configure some of those, but I usually don't waste hours configuring those. Since Firefox is the tool I use the most on my machine I did some configuration on it, I added some extensions:
- Chatzilla an IRC client.[1]
- Linky, a very handy link opener
- French dictionary
- Technorati search
This setting use to work fine under the 1.5.x series. But under 2.0 it does not work anymore - When I launch Chatzilla I get some hard freezes - Chatzilla because white and does not take any text input - the rest of the browser does not responds - so I need to kill it. I'm the only one in the company having these issues - Some did have it but they where gone after a reinstall - this was not the case for me.The problem is not related to either the technorati search nor French dictionary because both of those where installed later. I wanted to file a bug, but I needed more than the above description to make a valid bug report. Hence I decided to open the Error console and try to catch some errors that might be triggered when I was having this problem. Now is the fun part, when the error console is open I do not get those freezes anymore ....
Apart from that big issue, I'm very pleased with some of the stuff introduced in Firefox 2.0. I've seen many people wondering about what where the new features that would make them upgrade. For me the killer feature added in 2.0 is inline spell checking - it does not catch everything, because I really am a bad writer, but it catches my common dyslexia issues where I tend to mix letters in the wrong order, catches French/English spelling issues where I write the word the French way in English and vice versa. I like the way tabs are being handled : a lot more like in Camino and I really love the fact that tabs can be moved - but I'm not so sure that this is a new feature. Second feature I've love to use is the restore session one - when I need to reboot - because of a software update, or because of the aforementioned freeze - when I start Firefox up again, all tabs are open the way they where before - very very useful. I have Firefox open 24/24 almost seven days a week and it rarely crashes nor is it using more than 400 Mb (Which is a lot, but I have many tabs open). If you where wondering why to update, you should not anymore and you should update now.
[1] I don't really like Chatzilla, but It is able to authenticate using certs and my favorite irc client X-chat did not. But thanks to Wolfgang it should now work.
To visit our offices in Leiden - and see how we use the mozilla platform in the venice project. Details are in a private email.
yesterday I told the world a few bits and pieces about my new job. And was asked the technology we used to deliver our client. Of course the answer is Mozilla - we are based on xulrunner trunk. It's nice to change you hobby to a job - but it also means that the hobby becomes less interesting - but working there is fun as those photos do show.
Omniweb is currently onsale for $10, this offer ends up at the end of the month. A nice time for mac users to try out an compare this competitor to the current mozilla offering.
I've been playing with the newly released Firefox 2.0 since it came out. It worked out of the box, I have some issues with it, sometime it freezes, that might be due to the fact that I use chatzilla, or that I use some flash IM/Jabber software on a dating site. So far so good, the web applications I work with daily did not break.
I do miss something and a quick Google search did not help : I use both French and English as my default languages , and might soon add dutch. How do I add dictionaries to the spell checker ? and how do I tell Firefox which language the inline spell checker should use ?
me Could you please introduce yourself : name, age, place where you live, What is your principal work/occupation in life ?
Wevah My name is Nate Weaver, a.k.a. Wevah. I'm 25 years old, and live in Saint Cloud, Minnesota, USA. My principal work is mostly sitting around writing code, though I don't get paid enough... ;)
me Is your day job mac related too ?
Wevah I don't really have a day job at the moment; I'm trying to find my place (and my motivation), unfortunately. Fortunately, I'm much more motivated than I was a few years (or even a few months) ago.
me What is your development setup ?
Wevah A MacBook Pro (early rev) with a 100 GB/7200 RPM HD and 2 GB of RAM. Oh, and the 256 MB video card (which is currently standard, IIRC).
me How long have you been haging on #Camino and contributing patches ?
Wevah I always forget this. I think my IRC logs started in August of 2004.
me And your first patch ?
Wevah Customized .webloc file handling, I think. Oh, and IE .url files too.
me Are you specilized in some part of Camino or do you contribute anywhere ?
Wevah I like to do stuff that I can do without having to build Camino, though will most likely change eventually. Stuff like the webloc patch where I can test the majority of the code in a small test application. Oh, and I also help administrate the caminobrowser.org Web site.
me Do you also play with the rest of the mozilla code ?
Wevah No; it scares me. I still don't have a good grasp of C++, yet. I'd like to get there eventually, of course, but I'm having a much better time in Objective-C Land. :)
me Do you participate to other projects be they open source or not ? if yes care to tell us which ones ?
Wevah Sure. I have a few of my own projects (as many people do), the two public ones are Paparazzi! and a User Agent prefpane for Camino. I also will be contributing some code to the now-open source CamiTools project (as you can see, a lot of Camino-related stuff). I also contribute bug reports/help for various other things, though I haven't submitted many (if any) patches to them.
me Urls ? (I'm a lazy guy)
Wevah Paparazzi!'s is http://www.derailer.org/paparazzi/, and User Agent's is http://www.derailer.org/useragent/. CamiTools has a new home at http://camitools.mozdev.org/, though the current binary isn't there yet (it's at http://pimpmycamino.com/parts/camitools/ for now).
me How long have you been using Macs ? What is the oldest version of Mac OS you've been using ? What was your first computer ?
Wevah I've been using Macs since, uh...I don't remember. I think I've used System 4 before, though only for a very short time (and not on my own machine). The first Mac OS I really remember was System 6. The first Mac I used regularly was a family computer; a Macintosh IIvx with 10 MB of RAM and an 80 MB hard disk (oh, how far we've come since then). The first Mac that was mine and mine alone was a "Wallstreet" Powerbook, running at a whopping 266 MHz with 1
Wevah (I'm surprised that I can remember all of that.)
me My crapy IRC client cut your sentence at running at a whopping 266 MHz with 1
me care to repast the end of the sentences ?
Wevah ...with 192 megs of RAM and a 4 gig hard disk.
Wevah Colloquy is lame and doesn't chop long messages up. (The IRC spec says they cut off at 500 bytes or something.)
me Was it difficult to join the Camino developers team ?
Wevah Not really; the only real issue was my own fear of seeming like an idiot or a blowhard (which I guess I don't, thank goodness).
me How time eating is it to manage caminobrowser.org ?
Wevah Well, since I don't have to do any content or layout, it's not that difficult at the moment. The main things I have to worry about are the user agent detection script (which is being rewritten), the JavaScript image swapper deal, and the contributors' blogs feed (all of which I wrote). Oh, and the redirects for new releases. Sam's a lot more responsible than I am about a lot of it, though. ;)
me Ok, Anything you would like to add , say ?
Wevah I can't think of anything funny or informative, to be honest. But uh...CAMIMO R00LZ!
me thank you for your time
Wevah My pleasure. :)
me Could tell us who you are ?
Kreeger My name is Nick Kreeger, I am currently a senior computer science student at Park University (located around Kansas City).
me How old are you ?
Kreeger 22
me How long have you been in the Camino project ? What do you do in the Camino project ?
Kreeger Lets see, I have been with the Camino project for well over a year now. Most of my contributions have been to the download manager, for instance I implemented pause-resume downloading and improvements to file tracking in the manager. My latest project has been implementing RSS sniffing support for Camino, which I hope is now in its final stages before we check that feature in. When I am not coding, I have CVS access and try to keep the checkin queue down.
me What is your setup ? How long have you been a Camino user ? How long have you been a Mac user ?
Kreeger Currently, I am using a PowerBook G4 1.5ghz, 1.5 gig ram. At home I hook my secondary 19" LCD display, it's very nice if you have several source files up. I have been using Camino for around 2 years or so, and have been involved on OS X for around 3 years. Prior to OS X, I used OS 9 for about 4 years.
me Was it difficult to join de Camino developers ?
Kreeger No, it was pretty easy. I originally stumbled into #camino during the busy days right after version .8, and worked with great people like Samuel Sidler, mento, smfr, and pinkerton.
me Are you involved in other software projects ?
Kreeger Yes, I try to contribute to other Mozilla projects when I find the time. I also have several personal projects, the latest is a cocoa Mail application that embeds the browser view in Camino, and the mailnews stuff that is used in Thunderbird into a native Mac application. The project is called Correo (Spanish for mail) and it is in the early stages of development.
me (any urls ? )
Kreeger www.nkreeger.com/site/projects.html
me Anything you would like to say ?
Kreeger We are always looking for contributors for Camino, it doesn't matter if you write code or help with triage. If you are interested, please find your way into #camino and someone cane help you get started.
me Thank you for your time
Kreeger thanks ludo!
Kreeger np
I would love to be able to use gpg or pgp withint webmails applications like gmail and yahoomail.
My needs would be :
- Possibility to verify a signed email
- Possibility so signed my outgoing emails
- Possibility to decrypt emails
- Possibility to encrypt emails
features should be implemented in that order. Key management from within the extension would be a plus. Any takers ?
I really knew that the Intel transition would suck - it did in the beos days, why wouldn't it be the same for Apple. Great read thanks Preed.
http://1626jdr.free.fr/mention.php ou pourquoi et comment ne pas utiliser Firefox - amusant.
The Caminol10 project just lost the person making the German-Swiss edition of Camino. If any body wants to take over, please join in on our mailing list
I'm wondering what plans the Mozilla Foundation and/org Mozilla-Europe have to promote choice on the internet in those area where Firefox has more or less 10% of MarketShare.
me
Please introduce yourself, including age, Place where you livem, wht you do for a living and what you do for Camino ?
Bruce
I'm Bruce, I'm a software architect living in Bath in the UK. My work on Camino is intermittent, but most of the effort has been spent on fixing bugs or adding small features to the user interface
me
How old are you ?
Bruce
31
me
How long have you been using Macs ? Camino ? and being part of the project ?
Bruce
I've been using Macs since Mac OS X 10.0 came out, but didn't really move across to them until 10.1 emerged.
Camino was still called Chimera, and was at something like version 0.7 when I switched to using it full time
I started fixing some Firefox bugs on the Mac in late 2004, but preferred to use Camino for my browsing
Eventually decided it would be better making fixes to that, and discovered that ObjC wasn't too hard to learn. My first Camino patch followed a little while later.
me
Was it hard to become join the developers of Camino ?
Bruce
Not too hard, although when I started they were mostly in US timezones, which made IRC less useful. The build instructions have also improved a lot since I first tried building Camino!
me
What pushed you to join the developers ?
Bruce
A few bits of user interface that really bothered me
The context menu for mailto: links, and Camino always sending US English in the "accept-language" header come to mind.
me
What is your current development setup ?
Bruce
A two year old dual G5 PowerPC
me
What was your first computer like ? When was that ?
Bruce
And a good 20" widescreen display, essential for development
First computer was an Acorn Electron, which far from having a widescreen LCD plugged into our minute TV at home.
Wikipedia tells me it must have been 1983/84, although I can't remember that well!
me
:-)
me
What are you going to be working on in the Next few month Camino-wise ?
Bruce
I haven't got anything particular on my list at the moment, so will probably just help out on 1.1 bugs as and when (if!) I get the time.
me
Does this mean you'll be rewieng code ?
Bruce
yes
me
Are you involved in other Open source project ? If so which ones and why ?
Bruce
I've made isolated bug reports for other open source projects, but Camino is the only one in which I've invested significant effort
me
Anything you would like to add ?
Bruce
Only to say how nice it is to see increasing interest in developing Camino; the project has been through some rocky patches in the past, but its still growing and getting better.
me
thank you for your time
Bruce
You're welcome
me
Could you introduce yourself , including age, place where you live, name ?
hwaara
I'm Håkan Waara, 21 years old, and I currently live in Stockholm, Sweden.
Right now I'm working for a grant from the Mozilla Foundation, to make Gecko more accessible on the mac.
me
How long have you been involved with mozilla ? Camino ?
hwaara
I started getting curious about the Mozilla community back in 1999. I had done some REALbasic programming on the Mac, and tried to learn C/C++. In the beginning, I just filed bugs, and tried to help out with really simple bugs - mostly in the Mail/News component of Mozilla (what later became Thunderbird).
I spent a lot of time learning new things, and making more patches all the way until somewhere around 2001.There were a lot of other things going on in my life, and around then there was *a lot* of controversy around the clumsy UI of Mozilla.So, most bugs that I was involved in became UI wars.
I think that was one of the reasons why they then created Firefox. To be able to design more freely, thinking about the basics, from scratch.
Then in November this year, I finally was able to buy a Mac again. Being without it for 5 years (having to use Windows at home) had been a learning experience, but I knew my roots. :-)
me
Ok where you a Chimera user ?
hwaara
No, back then I had Windows computer only. I used a Mac until around 1999 when that old Powermac became too slow to use even for emailing.So I got this iMac around winter last year, and started getting back into programming, Mac OS, and Mozilla. One of my friends introduced me to Camino, and then I was back in business.
me
How long have you been using computer ? What was your first computer ?
hwaara
I started getting into computers when my mother bought one around 1994. It was a Macintosh Performa, and I remember that one of the first things I did was to insert a 3,5" floppy disk upside down, and ruined the floppy disk drive. :)
me
Was becoming a member of the Camino community difficult ?
hwaara
The first few patches I submitted were probably quite horrible. I was learning Objective-C and Cocoa basics at that point, and thought to myself that the reviewers were a bit harsh. But as always, in the end it is the best (and only!) way to learn - from your mistakes. After logging on a few times on the #camino IRC channel, I started getting familiar with all the people, and their interests in Camino.
me
What do you think is missing in Camino ?
hwaara
One of my main pet peeves has been the lack of a find toolbar, similar to that of Firefox. If you search a lot on webpages, the primitive Find dialog is not of much help. Some support for routing RSS to my favorite RSS application is also needed, and I know Nick Kreeger has a patch brewing for that. One of the reasons Firefox has been such a tremendous success is because of its extensibility, where people can make extensions to hook in almost anywhere in the UI code and customize it. I think in order to compete with Safari on the mac, something radical like that would be needed for Camino.
hwaara
TextMate is another example where extensibility has been one of the key points for success. I would love to see some way to extend Camino with bundles.
me
Are you involved in other software projects ?
hwaara
I'm active in Firefox a bit, obviously. Then I've written a small plug-in to TextMate called TabMate, that will make TextMate show Mozilla code nicely, according to how the local code style is defined at the top of the file (with a modeline). I've written a few small patches to Shakespeer, and right now I'm also trying to develop a new OS X app with my friend.
me
Ok I think I'm donewith the techie side. I have one non techie question, where does your name come from ?
hwaara
Håkan is an old scandinavian name. Historically, it means something like "descendant of the king". :)
J'ai régler mes petits problèmes avec les impôts de manière fort simple. Le mail que j'ai écrit a suffit a régler mon petit problème, la réponse a été extrêmement rapide - et elle contenait le montant que je dois à l'état. Il reste quelques bugs dans l'implémentation du déménagement hors département : par exemple l'administration ne se souvient pas qu'elle a le droit de prélever sur mon compte en banque : il faut que je renvoi l'autorisation de prélèvement à ma banque.
Tant que j'y étais je me suis demandé si je ne pouvait pas régler mes impôts avec Camino en lieu et place de Firefox. Et bien c'est possible et même trés simple à faire.
Attention je ne suis pas responsable de ce que j'écris ci-dessous si vous tentez la même manipulation.
La méthode d'authentification utilisé par les impôts est basée sur une échange de certificats électroniques, un certificat est donc stocké dans le profil du navigateur - l'installation de ce certificat n'est gérée par la direction générale des impôts que dans Internet Explorer et Firefox - on ne peut théoriquement pas utiliser Camino pour se connecter sur www.impots.gouv.fr. Pour seconnecter il faut et il suffit donc d'intégrer dans Camino le certificat qui se trouve dans Firefox (Je ne sais pas le faire depuis Safari car lorsque j'ai obtenue le certificat je l'ai fait via Firefox).
Désolé mon Firefox est en Anglais, ainsi que mon Camino (trunk oblige)
- Lancer Firefox
- Menu Firefox->Preferences...
- Icone Advance
- View certificates
- Dans mes certificats choisir celui qui porte votre nom dans Direction Generale des Impots
- cliquer sur backup
- choisir un nom de fichier et un password (il permet de rendre le fichier contenant votre certificat plus sur, ainsi peut de personne peuvent l'importer et se faire passer pour votre personne)
- Quitter Firefox
- Lancer Camino
- Menu Camino->Preference
- Onglet securité puis voir certificats
- clique sur la petite roue dentée
- Restore
- entrer le password et voila c'est fait Camino peut se connecter au site des impôts
Here comes another IRC interview this time with Ian Leue
me: Hello, could you introduce yourself including name, age, irc nick and place where you live ?
I.L: My name is Ian Leue. I'm 20 years old, known on irc as "froodian", and I attend college in Connecticut, USA
me: So for a living you are a student. What do you do for the Camino project ?
I.L: I code, triage bugs, answer feedback, and help with forum support. Anything that needs doing, really.
me: Any particular piece of code you are more familiar with ?
I.L: I've been dabbling pretty much everywhere in the codebase, but my most sizable contributions so far have been to the menu code, and I'm planning on doing lots more cleanup that needs to be done there soon.
me: What is your setup ?
I.L: I'm on a 14" iBook g4, 1.33 GHz, with 1.2 GB of RAM. The clock speed isn't awesome, but the extra RAM helps it run like butter.
me: How long have you been using Camino ? What made you join the team ? was joigning a difficult process ?
I.L: I tried out Camino for short periods of time a few times, starting when it was about .7 or so (I think. Hard to remember that far back). I started using Camino regularly some time after .8.4, when the nightlies had lots of features that the release builds didn't (like the "new" tabs). I sort of joined the team by infiltration. I began as one of the lurkers delliott mentioned in his interview, and just
I.L: started being useful whenever I saw an opportunity. By the beginning 2006 I was a regular triage and QA member, and I decided to learn Objective C and start coding as a summer project.
me: So it's a nice experience being a member of Camino's coding team ?
I.L: Absolutely. I love working on Camino :)
me: Are you involved in other open or closed software projects ?
I.L: I do QA work for several closed software projects. I'm on the beta team for WebnoteHappy and VoodooPad, and I report bugs in all the apps I use. Additionally, I've just released my own preference pane for Camino, MoreCamino.
me: Which is available at ?
I.L: http://www.jonagold.org/~froodian/MoreCamino/
me: How long have you been a computer user ? Mac User ? What was the first machine you ever booted ?
I.L: I like this question, because I'm a very nostalgic person. The first machine I remember booting was my family's Mac Classic, although I probably used other peoples' computers for brief periods of time before that. I guess that would mean I've been both a computer and a mac user since '92, and I started tweaking it right away. Man I loved System 6 at the time. ;)
me: What do you think is missing in Camino ?
I.L: Really, the things I miss most are a thousand miniscule features. When you spend your days buried in the bug database, you start seeing all the tiny issues and missing features all the time. The biggest "big-time" feature I miss is RSS detection, but it looks like that's going to change pretty soon.
me: Anything you would like to add ?
I.L: Lots of things! And when Camino 1.1 comes out, we'll see a lot of them. Pretty much as soon as I know how to fix something I do it. Things I'd like to do that I don't quite have the skill for yet is a user-accessible search way to change the search engine list and a total revamp of the "add bookmark" sheet.
I.L: Although it occurs to me now that you meant "anything you would like to add to the interview" and not to Camino
I.L: in which case, no :p
I.L: :)